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Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:33:00 -
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The Catalyst isn't good.
It may be slightly better than the corm or coercer but its not good.
The thrasher is the only truly good destroyer. Just wanted to clear that up. |
Garviel Tarrant
Aces -N- Eights
Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:28:00 -
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Ohh congratulations, do you want a cookie?
Any bloody ship can have some tiny niche use. The fact remains that 9/10 times the thrasher will beat any other of the destroyers including the catalyst. |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:41:00 -
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Ok consider yourself corrected.
Even at its optimal it doesn't come close and it cant dictate range at all since it only has two mids so it dies horribly against any competent pilot. It does have an arseload of dps but it won't be able to apply that dps to anything unless the opponent is really really bad.
Its might be able to beat a thrasher in a toe to toe brawl. And so could the coercer
That is however rather irrelevant since the thrasher can just **** off if he so desires since they cannot dictate range at all. |
Garviel Tarrant
Aces -N- Eights
Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:21:00 -
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Meh, they wouldnt be so good if they werent always combined with the ability to dictate range,
Thats what makes ac's good, especially with t1 small ships selectable damage types arent a big factor |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:03:00 -
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Yea its a bit silly.
EDIT: But then again in Eve even the small ships are ******* huge... |
Garviel Tarrant
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:39:00 -
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Tarra Nobilii wrote:Idea 1: We have a covert ops frig, covert ops cruiser....covert ops destroyer? Would prove useful as an escort for bombers...or perhaps as a tackler for them. Conversely, could fill the role as a counter to bombers (missile hardpoints for standard launchers with range bonus, for example); would allow it to both escort or counter bombers. Furthermore, it would be consistent with the bonuses given to bombers for torpedoes...granted it is a smaller missile slot.
Idea 2: Command boosting destroyer? Would be nice for frig gangs.
Idea 3: Phasing out of Electronic attack frigs...ECM destroyer
Idea 4: Seige mode destroyers...for removing those annoying high sec towers; extra dps and tank for hitting larger ships...might even be useful in swarms for killing caps...kinda relates to the planetary bombardment role CCP initially presented (dual role?)
I'm talking about the destroyer rebalancing.. Not new destroyers.. but if you want.
Covert ops.. Don't really see the point
Command boosting, pointless with everyone rocking t3 links
How that would work i have no idea but i like everything that fucks with ECM
Just stupid since immobile destroyers would pop like cherries at mardi gras |
Garviel Tarrant
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Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.06.16 17:24:00 -
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Korg Tronix wrote:Tbh the only bad thing about the Coercer is the number of mids it has, if it had two it would be the best destroyer. Atm the moment the only AC Thrasher fit that beats it regularly is the armour fit (Resists) but as far as range goes with close range guns nothing comes close to it.
Tbh the only thing that overdoes it with the thrasher is the number of guns to high slots it has. If it had its current 7 guns with 7 highs rather than 8 I think they would be more balanced. Means the Thrasher would lose the neut that it fits cutting on some of the utility it has.
No small ship is truly good with less than three
At these distances range control is life.
Amarr is slow, thus need scram/web. |
Garviel Tarrant
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Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.06.16 22:59:00 -
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Korg Tronix wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Korg Tronix wrote:Tbh the only bad thing about the Coercer is the number of mids it has, if it had two it would be the best destroyer. Atm the moment the only AC Thrasher fit that beats it regularly is the armour fit (Resists) but as far as range goes with close range guns nothing comes close to it.
Tbh the only thing that overdoes it with the thrasher is the number of guns to high slots it has. If it had its current 7 guns with 7 highs rather than 8 I think they would be more balanced. Means the Thrasher would lose the neut that it fits cutting on some of the utility it has. No small ship is truly good with less than three At these distances range control is life. Amarr is slow, thus need scram/web. The Coercer isn't the slowest destroyer and it has the best range for its short range guns thanks to scorch. It doesnt need the web so much as it would need a high slot for the nos. Not all small ships need 3 mid slots
Imo only kiters work decently without it but i guess it would be decent with two. |
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